I am not a grammarian, but here's what Fowler (in the second edition) says about problem of two stops at the end of a sentence. Logically, your sentence should end:
. . . Palestinians?"?
but this looks so funny that instead we write:
. . . Palestinians"?
and let one question mark stand in for two. The best solution, I think, would be to recast the sentence to avoid the problem. [Cop out! ;-) -NS]By the way, Derbyshire's title is not a question and would be better without the question mark. [Hey, I knew that. Just considering a more interesting case. -NS]
Also, by the way, you can resolve the contradiction between the two Derbyshire articles by assuming he cares about one billion followers of Islam, but sees no reason to care much about a few million Palestinians, whose problems are not nearly as severe as those of other groups like the Iraqi Kurds or the Algerian Berbers.
David Farrer (of Freedom and Whisky, another product of that bloggers' spawning ground, the Libertarian Alliance) takes a slightly different line when he writes:
I quote from a useful little book “Write Right” by Jan Venolia:Punctuation marks are placed outside the quotation marks unless they are part of the material being quoted. If the material quoted is itself a sentence, the period closing it can be included if the quoted sentence comes at the end of the larger sentence (and thus the period serves to close both). If this is not the case, but some kind of pause is still needed, the period closing the quoted sentence can be replaced by a comma within the quotation marks.
e.g.Who asked “Why?”
Have you seen “Gone with the Wind”?
“I insist on going, ”he said stubbornly.
He said stubbornly, “I insist on going.”So, I think that option 1 is correct if you take “Why I don’t care about the Palestinians.” as being a complete sentence.
I also think that you need the comma after “wrote”.
To think that this sort of stuff was so boring at school!
Ah, takes you back doesn't it. Those sturdy Young Pioneers, the glorious Komosol. Actually it came from the EU Observer which I am told is an official EU magazine, despite containing the odd bit of token scepticism.
Gosh, nearly got distracted from telling you the HOT NEWS! Yes, "The participants in the Youth convention have to be between the ages of 18 and 25, and they come from 28 countries – the 15 EU member states and the 13 candidate countries."
Way cool! But - oh no, there's some scandal: "...the Secretariat of the Convention confirmed that one of the participants is over the age of 25. Because of this, Henrik Södermann had to withdraw his candidacy from the post of President."
How awful, but I trust you can rest easy. After all, "168 of the youths were chosen by the full and alternate members of the Convention representing national Parliaments or governments, 32 by the representatives of the European Parliament, 4 by Commission representatives and 6 by the Chairman and Vice-chairman."
Remember, you heard it here first.
UPDATE: I am advised it is probably something called the "Klez worm" or just "Klez".
Just conceivably there is an innocent explanation. All I can say is, if you want to tell me about it, don't even think of doing so via an attachment.

UPDATE: Link bust. Sigh. Go to http://blog.davidjanes.com/
Note that one of Chris Bertram's links to me goes to the trivial comment of 10 July rather than the longer one of 11 July. The fault is in the code, not Chris Bertram. I can't make it work either. Pressing "copy shortcut" on the longer piece seems to take you to the previous day. Try it.
I long ago came to the conclusion that arguing over which mass murderer was 'worse' was effectively pointless.The Soviets, like the Nazis, also had a concept of 'objective' guilt. Guilt was not personal, it came about like Original Sin and inherred in those of the wrong social class (rather than 'race,'), or those who were needed as scapegoats. The father of the Russian SF
writers Boris and Arkady Struatsky surivived the purges only because he was out of town when his entire department was condemned. They never went looking for him. After a phone call to his wife, he just continued his business trip. His brother was not so lucky -- he was kicked to death by Komsomol members. If they had been in Germany, they would have been murdered as Jews.The SF writer Kir Bulychev lost virtually everyone he was or might have been related to. His grandfather survived -- he was a military accountant. His father became a devout party member. The four great uncles were 'liquidated,' husbands were murdered, wives driven to suicide. His mother's family vanished, and she herself nearly bought it at the age of twelve when they came for all the children at the school where she was enrolled. They came at night, and she was a day student. The kids were put in boxcars headed south, and were 'disappeared.' He only found out he was a hereditary enemy of the people in his thirties when his mother showed him the few documents she had hidden away, at grave risk to herself, her husbands, and her children. If the Germans had taken Moscow, he might have been snatched by a Lebensborn unit and surivived, or not. His step father was Jewish, and so was his younger sister.
When I was in college as an undergraduate I remember talking to another student who was so pro Viet Cong she sounded like a propaganda broadcast from Hanoi. The Vietnamese hadn't yet had their falling out
with the Khmer Rouge and she was alternative dismissing the recent refugee reports of 'Year One' and justifing them if they were true,
which they were not, of course, just American propaganda... I can imagine her juistifing the murders of the Strugatskies and Bulychev's relatives, because they were merely abstractions. It goes with the verb
'to liquidate.' Or 'The People,. United, Will Never Be Defeated!" The 'people' here are an abstraction, defined by the revoluionaries. If they do something so they no longer fit the definition, like think for themselves...The same way of thinking works for the Islamofascists. Also I am condemned to having relatives so 'Irish' (in-laws, fortunately) they would as soon as blow you up as talk to you. By 'you' I mean you personally (and me, since my mother is of English, Welsh, and Scots ancestry, I am of impure blood.)
Alas. this topic puts me into a blue funk, which reading your blong normally does not. I recommend "What is Socialist Realism" by Sinyavsky/Tertz if you haven't read it yet.
Gone! Expletive deleted!
Yeah, well, if you want to pay for premium content, "Beware the Enthusiast" made some good points about the motivations of fanatics. I seemed to slip beneath the Irish Times's financial radar first time I found it, but now their defences are up.

The Ninja of the blog-forest takes is pleased to sharpen her shuriken against the tyrants. Manga version coming soon.
One additional fact: the Supreme Court looked at the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals case and decided not to review it. This usually means that they did not think that the constitutional issues were incorrectly decided. (Doesn't always mean this; could just mean that they didn't want to bother since there are no inconsistent Court of Appeals rulings on the issue. As soon as a different Court of Appeals rules contrary to the 5th Circuit, the Supremes are much more likely to hear an appeal.) Since it takes 4 Justices to decide to hear an appeal, we know that at least 6 justices did not see any reason to review the case.The Supremes, now... weren't they a singing group?
Can he be the same man as the one who wrote "Why I don't care about the Palestinians."?What if the title enclosed within the quote marks had itself ended with a question mark?
or
Can he be the same man as the one who wrote "Why I don't care about the Palestinians"?
Come to think of it, should there be a comma after "wrote"?
Not everyone pussyfoots around like I do. Robert Sendler writes:
The Left makes incredibly esoteric distinctions based on the motives of the social planners doing the killing. If you are on the road to an egalitarian paradise it’s okay to kill a few million people (as long as it brings about the "correct" outcome. But if the motives of the centralized experts differ from Leftist dogma, well, it’s evil Fascism.I do think that motive matters to some extent. When a Nazi imagined his future ideal it included, centrally, the Jews gone and the Poles and Slavs enslaved. When a Communist imagined his, it could, in principle, have included happy, reformed Kulaks and bourgeousie as well as the necessary happy peasants. But how much weight should we give this really? About a tenth of a second later our Communist moved his mind on to a much more pleasing subject: how he was going to make the lives of those rich bastards hell for not being reformed quick enough. As he did, though he never came anywhere near making the peasants happy. What good did that tenth of a second do? Very possibly it did harm: as Solzhenitsyn said,
The Right has mostly (except for a fringe of Kluckers and other white trash) moved past its monsters (or assigned monsters. Lose the nationalism and couple of other idiosyncrasies of the Nazis you're left with a conventional, centralized, socialistic approach to governing things.) while the Left still embraces them.
Castro gets treated like a rock star and Pinochet gets snatched by the Spanish.
The difference?
Ideology.
'Ideology - that is what gives evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination. That is the social theory which helps to make his acts seem good instead of bad in his own and others' eyes, so that he won't hear reproaches and curses but will receive praise and honors'.That is why Stalin got such an easy ride. And he did, despite the honourable exceptions Chris Bertram quotes. Plenty of people are still surprised to be told that Hitler killed fewer than Stalin did.
For all that, there was a certain unique horror about the Nazis. No actions by the Jews could propitiate them. Was it Roger Scruton or Robert Conquest who, when asked why he thought the Nazis were worse than the communists, said "I feel so"? It was someone impeccably anti-communist, anyway, yet he felt so, and I can feel it too.
But, then again, in the depths of Cambodia in Year Zero or the great purges of the USSR, nothing you could do would save you either. Perhaps the agonized wondering whether some even greater effort at abasement might just save you (because you were in principle damned for sin rather than as a category) made the sufferings of their victims even worse.
Dark waters. I haven't kept to the point, and I haven't come to any conclusion. Best I can do for now.
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Definition note: By "forced based ideals" I only meant that even at its most benign, the communist and socialist vision included redistributing wealth by force. If you resisted you would go to prison.
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What a relief to scroll up a post or two and fail to choose between different flowers in liberty's garden. The relief is not all-encompassing, however. Fact is, I've got my troubles. On Sunday I have to go on some ghastly fun run that I foolishly signed up for in the distant days of spring. And I had the curtains at one end of the living room dry cleaned and I'd really like the other end set done too, only I'm running out of kidneys to sell. Until these difficulties are sorted out I am unable to announce my final judgement between Hayek and Nozick.
No, not here, in the column to your left. You can cope.
In a couple of cases in the past decade or so, the Supreme Court has mentioned the individual right to arms in passing; but unless I'm more out of touch than usual, you're thinking of a decision at the next level down. The Federal Court for the Northern District of Texas dismissed on simple Second Amendment grounds. The Federal Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit overruled, saying that, although the Second Amendment does indeed declare an individual right, the narrow restriction in question is not excessive - thereby sidestepping the broader issue.This from a man who also dashes off "A few results from my explorations into Fullerene topologies." Cool.
Philosophical/SF digression: Interesting phrase there, "the only real possible outcomes." As in many sentences (e.g. "five bricks piled on top of one another") the actual words are philosophically indefensible while conveying their meaning perfectly well. Some counterfactuals strike us as less counterfactual than others even though there are no degrees of didn't-happen-ness. And if I had not read Godel, Escher, Bach I would not be writing this now. End of digression.
The principal reason I considered a compromise the most likely scenario for alternative resolution of the Revolution was that the possibility of a complete military defeat of the colonists, followed by a forced imposition of Lord North's program, had such a low probability that it was not worth considering. If that *had* been the resolution, it would just have been a formula for another revolution in twenty or thirty years, until either independence or a compromise settlement eventuated. The only real possible outcomes were compromises.
Of course, we forget that the actual outcome was a compromise as well. Congress had to forego their ambitions on Nova Scotia, Quebec, Florida (for a while) and the Caribbean, which were quite real. (See Kevin Phillips' The Cousins' Wars, which goes into this in some detail.) We think of Nova Scotia as not-American today, but that was not at all obvious in 1776. Southern Nova Scotia was heavily settled from New England and before 1783 was generally considered part of New England. America kept trying, too, and eventually it did bag Florida (after the British gave it back to Spain), and failed at the second attempt at Canada in 1812.The outcome of the Revolution was a rather arbitrary carving-up of the Western Hemisphere Anglosphere, mostly due to military chance, which grew more and more comfortable and tradition-sanctioned over time. Population-sorting (Loyalist expulsion and emigration) after the Revolution helped turn British North America into two nations, Canada and the USA.
I agree that it's been more interesting having the Anglosphere divided up into several different states. That seems to be our nature. If you count Scotland as an English-speaking nation, (which John Knox certainly did) then the Anglosphere was only ever unified into a single political system from 1707 to 1776, (add a few more years if you count the Cromwellian Commonwealth) which is a small fraction of its total existence.
"...He was an educated middle-class Egyptian citizen with family connections to people in the national establishment. If the FBI were still allowed to profile, it would have noticed that he fit the profile of the September 11 hijackers with almost embarrassing exactitude."
Can your brain hold these two ideas? (1) Airport staff should look extra-hard at guys fitting this description. (2) It still isn't OK to assume that any educated middle-class Arab with family connections to people in the national establishment (a useful clause, that last) are terrorists. Mine can.
That wasn't the point I started out to make. This was. Islamofascist ideas are passively held by some Arabs of all classes. But the Arabs who act upon them by becoming terrorists tend to be educated and Westernised. Why? The Westernised Arabs of a hundred years ago did no such thing, despite the fact that their countries were actually run by Westerners which you would think would annoy them a good deal more than the wicked things we do to them now like, er, buying their oil and stopping them overrunning Israel. Could it be that the difference lies in the sort of Western ideas the educated Arabs hear?
"...So, they're willing to tell you that if you don't smoke, you massively reduce your odds of dying by heart or by lung cancer. However, they neglect to mention that if they don't randomly fuck people in the "at risk" population, the odds of a 55 year-old woman dying of AIDS is reduced by about one-zillion times."
Strongly put, but I get the point. The National Post writer quoted by Janes assumes that although he has a brain large enough to hold the following two ideas simultaneously -
- no one else does.
(1) Your own behaviour massively changes the odds as to whether you catch AIDS. (2) It is good to work to cure AIDS and to show compassion for AIDS victims.
The same lack of trust makes the authorities afraid to state the obvious fact that an Egyptian anti-semite who shoots up the El Al counter on the Fourth of July ain't doing it in support of the aims of the Victorian Society. It's well put in the John O'Sullivan column linked to by Instapundit:
But the American public is an unknown beast which the political and media elites long ago decided was racist, sexist and homophobic. Our betters fear us. If not guided and controlled, they believe, we will hit out in dangerous spasms of violence at minorities, immigrants and anyone who looks like "The Other." We cannot be trusted with inconvenient truths. In particular, we have to be prevented from launching discrimination and attacks on Muslims and Arabs in bigoted response to terrorist outrages. . .
"...Here's the catch: they didn't send the invitation to Moellemann, but to Stefan Sharkansky, a pro-Israel Jewish blogger who runs a website tracking Moellemann's anti-Semitic utterances..."Go there and follow the links."American Crusade 2001 Trading cards. The far left hits a new low. (Check out the Daniel Pearl and 'Canadian Troops' cards.)..."
"...considering this incident occurred on a day when a 15 year-old female softball player shot and killed two people at the LAX El Al counter."
" ...WarBlogger Watchers are at it again, with a parody of this legendary Lileks screed directed at college students who think Western culture is no better than Arab culture..."
I also think that a politically unified Anglo-American bloc would have been too big for its boots. Still would be, as a matter of fact. America defines itself as the land of liberty. This has been of great benefit to the world. One of the benefits was Britain was motivated to say, "nyaah, we're the land of liberty - you own slaves, for God's sake." Eventually America sorted out that one, not without a little bother, and got back to the fun with "oh yeah? So what's the problem with universal suffrage then?" And a benevolent game of ping-pong has gone on ever since. France also gets to play on occasion...
I certainly did agree with the post above the Hitler/Stalin one. It describes the Observer as "beyond parody" and is a rich mine of fisking material. All in one issue you can read calls for state regulation of search engines, University entry and the end of the world. Oh sorry, force of habit. Correction: The Observer does not actually want the state to regulate the end of the world. It just announces, quoting the World Wildlife Fund and Greenpeace, that it will happen in 48 years because of George Bush.
Mr Livingstone's real crime is that he couldn't muster his fabled honesty to say that his domestic arguments are his own business and, if people don't like it, they can take the consequences."What consequences? What bad thing happens to nosy people who don't like Mr Livingstone talking about his domestic arguments?
The consequences of folly, though, will be taken by those Londoners who thought it would be a laugh to give Tony Blair the ol' two fingers and vote for Ken. And, unfortunately, those who didn't. Both groups will end up paying £1,260 per annum as his new "congestion charge". How this squares with the desperate efforts to build cheap housing to attract policemen, nurses and other public service workers I don't know - as so often, one effort of statist interference is at war with another.